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This post is about learning how to die over and over again, and why you would want to do that.

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The classic Buddhist method for dealing with difficult emotions is to become very curious about them, so curious that you are willing to do anything---whatever it takes---to explore and understand them.

The primary technique for this is mindfulness meditation. The goal of mindfulness meditation is to sit quietly and pay *total attention* to exactly what you are thinking and feeling.

Meditation is not about changing yourself.

Meditation is about learning to stop lying to yourself.

There are times when this process is unbelievably, excruciatingly horrible.

You sit there, quietly, with your whole attention focused on exactly what you are experiencing. As each thought arises---each painful, cruel or agonizing thought---you look straight at it, and with great tenderness, you say "thinking." Then you drop whatever story you've just been telling yourself and experience what it means to feel your way through it.

Then you do that 100 more times.

This is sometimes like being slowly burned alive while you focus all of your attention on exactly how it feels to have your skin crisp up, blacken in front of your face and fall off while you watch.

You learn to just sit there with the feeling of burning alive.

And you don't do anything about it. You don't scream, you don't strike out at anyone, you don't take drugs to numb yourself, you don't drink to shut down your chattering brain. You don't do whatever habitual, desperate routines you've adopted to shield yourself from anguish.

You just fucking sit there and experience it. And then you forgive yourself and let it go. Over and over again.

Just thinking about this makes my hands shake.

But the thing is, it's like standing up in front of a firing squad again and again and again until you learn to be OK with dying.

And it's practice.

It's practice for the rest of your life. After you do this _____ times it does change you. Eventually, you find yourself facing someone or something that makes you long to scream with rage and despair, and you know how to just sit there and let it wash over you, without killing them or striking out.

And you can forgive them, and forgive yourself, because you really, really, really, fucking understand what it is to suffer, and in that horrible moment, you get just how much they are suffering, and you grasp how terrible it is for them---the same desperate terror that it is for you.

And that's what mindfulness meditation is.

And you know what? No matter how long you do it, you will never stop feeling pain. Never.

You will simply learn to live in detente with the pain, and later, you and pain will exist in something like collaborative acceptance.

That's it.

Sometimes the feelings you sit with are positive, loving, seductive, or transcendent.

In that case, the process is still the same, and so is the goal: recognition, acceptance and collaborative co-existence with who and what you are.

As you sit, you're not trying to change anything about yourself or the world. You're just trying to see it, and yourself, as it is, and live with these things as they are.

Date: 2012-01-10 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowanmoon69.livejournal.com
Thank you.

Date: 2012-01-11 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
You're welcome.

Date: 2012-01-10 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-smith-e.livejournal.com
Thank you. I still see that as Water/Ice. I am still working on Fire. :)

Date: 2012-01-11 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
I can't wait to hear more about it. : )

Date: 2012-01-11 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-smith-e.livejournal.com
Well, right now it includes delving into the Heathen metaphysics of Ragnarok, Fenrir and Odin's self fulfilling prophecies. ;-) I will get back to you.

Date: 2012-01-10 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bobby1933.livejournal.com
Yes, thank you.
It makes me think of the people
who experience this kind of pain
in their bodies
Many of whom have no mental
or spiritual preparation for it.
I had wondered why some people
choose to meditate on death.
Now i know.

Date: 2012-01-10 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shades-of-nyx.livejournal.com
Chronic physical pain certainly changes who you are. Mindfulness practice is one of the only ways to survive it. This moment is not all moments. The whole of it is often just too damned scary to face. The worst times are alone at night, realizing that tomorrow may very well be the same as today.
Death is one topic that I, as a chronic pain person, don't actively meditate upon. It's too easy a choice. Death is a temptation that is always present, because then the pain stops, at least for a time.
So, I just repeat, "This moment is not -all- moments."

Date: 2012-01-10 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bobby1933.livejournal.com
Yes, of course. I'm sorry
I did not mean to presume or intrude.

Date: 2012-01-11 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shades-of-nyx.livejournal.com
No apology necessary. You asked a question. I answered with my perspective. I am in no way offended. [livejournal.com profile] sabrinamari will tell you that I am, quite often, the voice of the "loyal opposition" on her blog, and in her Craft life. We are incredibly different people! And yet, we learn a lot from each other.

Date: 2012-01-11 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
Yep, you and me, we be opposites in so many ways. And it is good. I would never change it.

Date: 2012-01-11 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
you're welcome. I often wonder how other people manage to live with their challenges.

I think the answer is that human beings are strong, stronger than one would ever imagine.

Date: 2012-01-11 06:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-11 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jasminewind.livejournal.com
"in detente with the pain"

I love that.

Can I share this post with Tim?

Date: 2012-01-11 12:54 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-11 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] windofvenus.livejournal.com
I understand this concept and have explored similar practices in different spiritual paths and I realize that it can definitely be helpful... but I think the challenge is often the letting go part. I see people everyday- and have experienced myself- the mindful repetition of a pain, either consciously focusing, or being trapped by the mind in a negative thought pattern. But, some just can't get to the letting go part.
And, then, my question to you about this is about doing this with the positive, uplifting thoughts, feelings, etc. Why would we want to let that part go?
I realize that letting go is very much a part of many spiritual paths, not being attached to an outcome, letting things flow as they will, etc. But, that's where my curiosity lies. It involves detachment, but sometimes, I know I want to hold on to the good uplifting things, and not let those things go too. I tend to get almost numb then, and yes, I'm balanced, but it's not a good or bad place to be, I just am.
But, excitement, and enthusiasm, and positive things feel lost with the negative. Love to hear your thoughts on this!

Date: 2012-01-11 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
The goal is to be present with your actual experience without either grasping (in the case of pleasure) or dissociating (in the case of pain). See the post above for more on this. The kind of experience doesn't matter. You are fully in it, whatever it is. You see it, acknowledge it, then you let it go and remain open to the next set of emotions.

Grasping is just another way of self-medicating so you don't actually have to be fully present in the moment you are living right now.

Date: 2012-01-11 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
Let me try again. If you are daydreaming about your honey, you're not fully and totally present on whatever you are currently doing. If you are thinking about how awesome it will be when you gt the career you want, you are not right here, right now.

And some of that daydreaming is awesome and good. I don't think it should all go away. But the Buddhist practice of meditation is time set aside to really be here, now, in what actually is, and practicing a little more of this has real benefits. Being right here, right now, is a valuable skill to cultivate.

Date: 2012-01-11 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] windofvenus.livejournal.com
Thank you for clarifying. I suppose I was taking the meditation and trying to apply it to all of life.
I definitely put a focus on being present at all times. But, I am human and also get distracted.
I also believe that there is a necessity to plan and prepare for the future. So, being present while making plans is also valid.

Date: 2012-01-11 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radiant-one.livejournal.com
Don't forget the compassion for self.

Love, Me

Date: 2012-01-11 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
That's core to the process. When you see your emotions, you quietly acknowledge them by saying "thinking.". And in that self talk you are as gentle and tender as you can possibly be.
Edited Date: 2012-01-11 03:59 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-11 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
Hugging you, dear one!

Date: 2012-01-11 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] castalusoria.livejournal.com
Namaste. Really and truly.

*love*

Date: 2012-01-11 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
love you, friend

Date: 2012-01-11 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puckmls.livejournal.com
Wow. Just ... wow.

Being in detente with the pain is a useful skill, because it never leaves our lives -- if anything, it increases the longer we live.

Date: 2012-01-11 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
Yeah. The longer you live, the more pain (and joy) you accumulate.

I have been thinking lately about the four noble truths. Specifically, I've been pondering the first one: "Suffering is universal".

I've never been comfortable with this (who is?). I always looked at it and thought, no, joy is universal.

well, yes.

But there's just no avoiding suffering. If you're human, you're going to experience it. It's impossible to get smart enough or wise enough to avoid suffering. You can learn to make better choices which might lead to greater happiness, but suffering will show up sooner or later.

So I might as well confront it in a useful way.

I hate the thought of flailing uselessly, and letting something painful unfold without harvesting a single positive thing out of it.

That thought just offends me.

If I have to suffer, then by gods I will make it productive!

Date: 2012-01-11 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hypanebliss.livejournal.com
Two things: People in the modern age SUCK at doing what you are describing. Everything around us is consistently pushing you to shut down. Western society especially lacks a large amount of discipline.

The other thing is this: While I may be able to engage my center and quietly experience someone raging in my face, it doesn't necessarily mean I have to put up with another person attempting to hyjack my boundaries.

Those are my thoughts. Beyond the simple fact this practice is awesome. It also doesn't always get easier as time goes on. We aren't training in order to solve all of our problems. We are training to get better at utilizing tools to break down distraction.

Date: 2012-01-11 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
"The other thing is this: While I may be able to engage my center and quietly experience someone raging in my face, it doesn't necessarily mean I have to put up with another person attempting to hyjack my boundaries."

Agreed. One of the places I am thinking about is how to balance responding with compassion with parrying abuse.

Being able to keep to your center and not strike out doesn't mean failing to stand up for yourself. I really want to get this balance right, so I can feel good about both staying calm and refusing to be a punching bag.

I'm still unclear about how to do this. I wish I could watch someone else who believes in this approach respond optimally to rageful emotional abuse. SOMEONE must know how to do this shit.

Date: 2012-01-11 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] showingup.livejournal.com
I've been wondering about conflict resolution training. If it's done well, it must surely involve practicing being put in uncomfortable and scary situations and dealing with them.

And, then again, maybe we try practicing it in the easy situations and move naturally to practicing in the harder ones, in which case we might not always notice the progress we've already made.
Edited Date: 2012-01-11 06:55 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-12 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sligoe.livejournal.com
The first thing to remember when confronted with rageful emotional abuse---it's not about you. It has nothing whatsoever to do with you and everything to do with what the other person is feeling. It has taken me a long time to realize this and act from there instead of the knee-jerk reaction of hurling the rage back.

The second thing to remember is that you can choose to react--or not. You can choose how to respond---and remember that while you are not responsible for the other person's actions, you are responsible for your own action/reaction. Even if the choice is to walk away, you have the choice.

The next thing I do is to process whatever was said to me. This is hard, because I tend to forget that rage has no reason or rationality, and only seeks to strike out in pain, using any weapon it can to do the most damage. I have to remember that I am essentially a worthwhile person, with a good brain and lots of love for people. If one person has a problem with something I've said or done, then that person needs to come to grips with it, with me, in a constructive manner. If that's not possible, then I have to evaluate what was said, how it was said, and see if there is any truth to it. If so, then work to be done! If not, then LET. IT. GO. Most times, the "let it go" part is where I wind up---it is the hardest thing in the universe to do---but it has to be done. It's all a part of that forgiveness thing that Coop was talking about---forgive the person for their outburst. Forgive yourself for not being perfect.

Forgiveness is not a "roll over on your back and show the universe your belly" thing, but it is an acknowledgement of the frailty of human beings in crisis. It is a compassionate reconciliation of obligation, bitterness, and resentment, and is really necessary for humans to be able to live sane, healthy lives.

Date: 2012-01-12 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] showingup.livejournal.com
YESYESYES!

"I have to remember that I am essentially a worthwhile person, with a good brain and lots of love for people."

This is the struggle for Integrity, isn't it? Remembering that it's there - that it's always there, even when we forget it.

Date: 2012-01-13 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sligoe.livejournal.com
Oh, that struggle for Integrity! To remember thast we are worthwhile, loving, caring individuals when the world is telling us that we are nothing more than dirt. To be genuinely alive to all possibilities for joy.

We humans are a complicated lot, aren't we? And I love every minute! :)

Date: 2012-01-11 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] showingup.livejournal.com
The parallels and divergences between Buddhist and Quaker processes fascinate me.

There's a Quaker process called Experiment With Light, based on early Quaker writings about their mystical experiences. It can be very gentle, and it can rock and tear at you, and it's all about holding yourself and your problems "in the Light" in a strong, gentle way. The key is being prepared to allow yourself to experience what is happening and trusting the process to take you to where you need to be, rather than where you decided you want to be.

There are a lot of British Quakers who do Buddhist practices, and Buddhists who attend Meeting for WOrship. As time goes by, I can really see the mutual attraction.

Date: 2012-01-11 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
"...allow yourself to experience what is happening and trusting the process to take you to where you need to be, rather than where you decided you want to be."

That does sound a lot like this.

Hmmm, Buddhists and Quakers and Pagans, oh my!

Sounds like Braided Stream...

Date: 2012-01-11 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] showingup.livejournal.com
You'd think we had something in common...!

I've come to the conclusion (over and over) that Love And Peace, Man is not for wimps, and that it's derided as woolly and silly and naive because, deep down, we know it requires a lot of work and never stops demanding more from us - and forget that the rewards are deeper and more permanent.

I appreciate this stuff much more now, as I find myself getting into the deeper layers.

Date: 2012-01-11 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabrinamari.livejournal.com
One of the things that happens pretty regularly in conversations with people is that they dismiss Buddhism as fluffy, or in some way indicate that it doesn't offer *real* tools for handling rough, rough problems.

It's hard to know what to say to this. The unkind part of me is tempted to say, "I bet you couldn't go five minutes in the middle of a modest emotional crisis without [your weed, your drink, screaming and dumping on others, insert self-medication/acting out here]. You have no idea---literally, not the slightest clue---what you are talking about, dude."

And then I say, "thinking," and let it go. Because there's no way I can explain it in two minutes.

I've tried. It just can't be conveyed in two minutes.

So the world will keep thinking of Buddhists as passive wimps, instead of seeing them as the courageous and skilled practitioners they are.

Ah, well.

It's not my job to tell people what to think.

Date: 2012-01-12 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] showingup.livejournal.com
It's our job to be the change we want to see in the world. It's enough to be getting on with :)

Weird, though - and frustrating at times - when people confuse pacifism with passive-ism, compassion with weakness, and fear with strength. Mainly it annoys me when I'm least centred (ie. fairly often..!). When I'm more in my Integrity, it's just what it is; I can measure how off kilter I am by how reactive I am. Which is progress, of course.

Date: 2012-01-11 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evcelt.livejournal.com
Thank you. My approach is more akin to the_smith_e's "Fire", though...

I just read through a minimal diary I kept during a very shallow and destructive (self- as well as others) period of my life. An interesting and somewhat painful process of forgiveness and learning.

Date: 2012-01-12 12:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eoma-p.livejournal.com
My most common self-medication is food. This week I'm trying a new approach. When I get THAT feeling in my stomach and start to reach for food even though I'm not hungry, I stop and pay attention. It's been very hard, but very helpful.

Date: 2012-01-12 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] showingup.livejournal.com
I found that making this a habit, noticing what emotions I was feeling, and not eating when I was angry/distressed was HUGELY helpful. Also, where in my menstrual cycle. And jotting down notes when I got insights helped, too. Glad to see that it's a helpful practice for others, too.

Date: 2012-01-12 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eoma-p.livejournal.com
Good to know I'm on a potentially useful track. Thanks!

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